A Prisoners Earnings to Be Taxed
and the money used to fund Rape Crisis Centres
Fabian social control using the Tax system, how novel !
Strengthening Police stop and Search powers, and 'grounding' orders
The Police will love that, and abuse it the same way they did the Terrorism Act
Anybody caught carrying a knife should expect to go to jail
That's me buggered then, I had better start practicing gnawing through stuff as an alternative to carrying a tool to do the job.
Allow Police to use surveillance powers in routine cases without need for authorisation
The Stasi Charter, the DDR did this they bugged and followed people and completedly missed the 1989 revolution. Do CCHQ not watch films like the 'Lives of Others' or read books like '1989, The Berlin Wall, My Part In Its Downfall' by Peter Millar.
The Police will love this
Replace Police Authorities with Elected Police Commissioners.
No No No, Elected Chief Constables. In Swindon when the Authority said they were going to rip out speed cameras, the Chief Constable just said he was not accepting that, and would put more mobile units on the street. The Chief Constable should set out his Policing Priorities in his manifesto, not drafted by the likes of Jack Straw.
VOTE TORY, VOTE FOR AN AUTHORITARIAN POLICE STATE
This crap comes out the same day the Met was chastised for allowing a taxi Driver sexually assault forty women, because they basically could not give a toss.
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Knives: "carrying a tool to do the job."
May I ask what job? Are you a fisherman? Or maybe a member of the famous five?
As a businessman in 2010, I'm intrigued as to what job it is you need to carry a knife around to do?
And elected CCs. Interesting. So you say it is okay for an elected authority to make decisions, but not an elected police officer? The point being that if he does something the people don't like, he is democratically accountable and isn't voted for.
You also confuse the jurisdiction of speed cameras. They are controled by a partnership between the authority and the police, run by the police and are in turn installed by the Highways Authority.
@Mr Boatang: Plenty of self-employed tradesman carry knives as tools of their trade. But so what?
I have no objection to white collar workers (or any other free citizen) carrying knives.
Only statist control freaks want the population to be defenceless.
Kevin Boatang - what's it to you why he needs to carry a knife. the only time you need to be worried is when he's plunging it into your guts. And given that most of the knife crime is carried out by blacks, it is probable he is not going to do that.
"And given that most of the knife crime is carried out by blacks"
Oh that's lovely that is. So pleased that the libertarian cause is taking care of people like you John.
My point, seeing as you seem to struggle with the English language, is taht Mr Guthrum is a businessman who feels the need to carry a knife. He is not a tradesman. In my adult life, outside of doing up my house or being on a campsite, I have never once felt the need to carry a knife.
The obvious conclusion being that people don't just walk around with weapons, hence why the law has been in place for hundreds of years.
"Only statist control freaks want the population to be defenceless"
That's right. Yup, statist control freaks. Christ it's like making a point at the SWP.
Can I make three proposals:
1. I myself would not feel the need to carry a knife or a gun, however I think a law abiding citizen with a clean bill of mental health should have the right to defend themselves and have a right to carry arms (as in party manifesto).
I myself probably wouldn't get one.
2. How do you tackle crime by disarming those who are most likely to be victims?
(I distace myself from the "mostly blacks" comment made earlier)
The point is this: the people who are going to obey the law are not the people who are most likely to be a threat. The people who carry knives and guns already are not suddenly going to hand them in because "the government said so"...
if anything the government is making them feel safer by disarming their victims!
3. The best was to reduce you knife crime and knife crime in general (my views now)... is to increase the opportunities and wealth available to these people...
and the best way to do this is...
to have sound economic policy...
(again, points to the manifesto).
There are always going to be people in society who will be more violent and a threat to law abiding citizens...
but if the government is unable to protect us (as it has clearly demonstrated) should we not have the right to choose to protect ourselves?
Ah the secret statist, wanting me to justify why I may need to carry a knife, or any other sharp tool, for non lethal purposes.
Give you a hint, I am am in the Construction Industry, I also run a small holding, I also do carpentery as a hobby. I keep animals that need feeding from bags of stuff.
So much for the blinkered stereotype of what ' businessman in 2010' is. No-I do not have stripy trousers and a top had and go round said buy,sell get me the president.
I think you need to update who think is running speed cameras in this country and determines policy
@john in cheshire: I'm a proud, law abiding, tax paying white British man. Your irrational hate and ignorance makes me want to vomit.
I have nothing but contempt for you and the party you troll for (BNP).
It matter not what the tools men or women hold but rather the responsibility in holding them. We have been brought to the illusion that knives are weapons and guns are weapons. Equally I could say my hands, a table or someone else's property are weapons. Do we sanction them? Do we make finite points down to the individual that chooses to take a martial arts course for exercise, stamina and control? Boatang you argue the validity of label and the concept of force... I argue responsibility and consequence of one's actions.
Let no one lose sight of the simplest elements of an argument, the variables of all sides and the pre-disposed mindset each brings with them to such discussions.
@Mr Boatang: Yes, you sound exactly like a statist control freak to me.
"Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense?"
-Patrick Henry
Out of interest, what precisely is LPUK policy on knives? The manifesto states that -
"We will amend the 1988 Criminal Justice Act to prevent law-abiding people from being prosecuted for the simple act of having sharp or pointed objects in their possession. This Act has led to perverse court rulings resulting in innocent people being convicted for carrying the tools of their trade and other non-weapons, and it has done nothing to reduce violent crime."
But that's not wholly clear. What knives etc will people be able to carry under a LPUK government?
Good question Peter.
I'd interpret that paragraph as "No controls on *possession* whatsoever."
If you have a flick knife (or machete for that matter) on your person, that in itself should not be a crime.
The key issue is the initiation of force or the threat of initiating force.
Sound money man,
Yes, that sounds the right position for the deontological libertarian to take.
Risk, don't forget risk. If somebody innocently waves a machete about in the Oxford Street rush hour crowd, somebody take the bloody thing off him as he is a mental.
@Gandi: I'd definitely regard the crazy person's behavior as "threatening". He wouldn't need to say a word. That scenario reminds me of the Fry & Laurie song "I'm in love with Steffi Graf".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBwbJWF8_-Q
@Peter: Funnily enough, I'm more of a consequentialist myself.
I'm only against gun/knife "control" because it makes society more violent and emboldens criminals.
A trip to the roughest estates of cities like Liverpool readily confirms this.
Its ironic that incidents like Colombine and Virginia Tech occured in places where people were disarmed by regulations and social norms, if not the law itself.
There are also wider political considerations.
Should the state have a *monopoly* on force?
The US founding fathers would say "certainly not".
SSM: I have the complete "A Bit Of..." on DVD, they've never surpassed Berwhale the Avenger!
deontology/consequentialism often resolve to the same thing at the individual level, sadly consequentialism applied to politics seems (inevitably) to mean utilitarianism, hence: bad.
Correction: That's SMM, not SSM :-\
Nice to see that I've started a little debate. Can't haev that though.
Comrade Guthrum "wanting me to justify why I may need to carry a knife". Nope, sorry fella, wrong!
I simply asked a question. You said that you wanted to carry a knife and I very simply asked you why you felt the need to carry a knife. You don't need to justify anything to me, I just wanted to know why a businessman needed to walk about like Rambo.
Sorry, I forgot, you have a smallholding...out on the range is it?
A statist? Nah, sorry, wrong again I'm afraid.
Funny how I ask a question and I am branded a secretist-residentism-statist. Now comrades, let us crush these dissenting vermin!
I am not against the ownership of weapons per se, I simply see the can of worms that would be opened. The arms race that would occur. What size knives would you allow? Guns? What sort of guns? How do you have any control as to owns those guns?
Once you let the cat out of the bag on this one, you can't go back.
The LPUK argument used to be one of the reversal of current legislation to the 1970s. Strange how things change.
@Kevin: You don't sound remotely Libertarian on the question of self-defence.
Do you hold the popular "improvised weapons only" position?
So if I clobber a burglar with a golf club that just happened to be lying around that's OK is it?
But being prepared for the arrival of an intruder is somehow "cheating"?
Weapons are OK for self-defence provided they weren't actually designed for purpose?
Is that your position?
As for this "arms race" notion, you clearly haven't studied the American situation at all.
Google "gun owners of America".
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