In light of recent events, reading this today made me shudder at what next year might bring, I am not a fan of revolutions, as they get out of hand far too easily and cause unnecessary suffering and even death to ordinary people. Plus they are hardly good for private property and the rule of law! Most of all thought they tend to decrease liberty (the US war of Independence being the most obvious exception)
So when I read Libertarians saying in effect 'bring it on' I have say my view is 'hell no'-mainly because we'd loose. We have seen how easy it is for our ideological opponents (leftists, statists, Fabians, call they what you will) to get tens of thousands of people on the streets waving socialist worker placards and smashing up topshops. We, on the other hand struggle to fill a small pub in London. If it did kick off next year, can you honestly say you'd think we'd get less government?
Too many people had bought the line that everything going down now is due to 'greedy bankers' and taxing the rich would prevent the (minuscule) cuts being made. For us to succeed we need to play a long game, and focus on getting out to real people with the truth about how economics, money and government work. Most of all we need to be saying over and over 'There's no such thing as a free lunch'.
The free market/classical liberal movement had done pretty poorly in the past at getting this message out to people. I believe it should be LPUK's priority to focus on this and build our base, focusing on grassroots networks and getting in a position to supplant the Tories and Lib dems in local councils over the next few years.
It will take time for us to build up momentum (time we may not have), remember how long it took the Fabians to get to the position where they could implement their agenda. Even if it takes us 20 years, is still better than blood on the streets
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Yes, indeed, these are the "demos". You need them to win an election, but they are gullible idiots, and their minds are in the pockets of those who control education and broadcasting.
I'm sorry to say that I don't see how they will ever be won over to your side. Even if you break the link between them and their Fabian overlords, you cannot shake the fact that an electorally significant proportion of society really is better off with the Fabians. Welfare recipients, for example, and the bureaucrats who administer such redistribution. You can never convince these people that they would be better off if they got proper jobs. You will only get their votes by outright dishonesty, and the Fabians are way ahead of you on that.
Personally, I hope for a "Berlin Wall" moment, where the Fabian state collapses from its own stagnation, debt and corruption, and something else arises in its place.
It will take time for us to build up momentum (time we may not have), remember how long it took the Fabians to get to the position where they could implement their agenda. Even if it takes us 20 years, is still better than blood on the streets
Andy, the Fabians were merely latter day ideologists whom merely continued on the agenda of the elites, whom they are of and work for. The Huxleys, the Wells, the Bertrand Russells, were merely there to advance the plan of the elites into continuing the control of people, that is continuing the slavery of British society as started back at the time when that lovely man William came over and conquered us in 1066. He brought feudalism and we're rapidly heading back that way.
You know, you say 20 years to implement the Libertarian agenda. Really? How so? People won't have a clue what liberty is, because I can rapidly see a society where dictionaries will become things of the past as doublespeak and doublethink become prominent within our society. You're also forgetting that as our controllers garnish yet more control of society via the MSM and state brain laundries, where are these intelligent people going to come from? Education fees will only be there for those who can afford them and how on earth is an overpopulated UK, full of conflict from growing cultures and cults going to manage to put their children into WORK let alone University to educate the old grey matter?
I really think that people like you are oblivious to the reality of just what's going on within society and that is there won't be any 'free society' left in 20 years time. Our population will be so braindead thanks to constant brainwashing getting ever more and more thanks to the MSM, not forgetting genetically altered humans thanks to Monsanto GM crops and animals with god knows what in them from GM crops and fertiliser.
We're looking at the very nearing of end game for society as we know it, as we move into a Huxely, Brave New World Dystopia, where everyone simply loves being a slave. The Elite simply look at you and I as useless eaters, Elites who have been controlling civilisations from as far back (and before) Babylonian Times. It's the same organisations, the same families who are sculpting society into one where they will continue having total supremacy, as they manage to make their populous agree that there are far too many of them and need to be culled - DEPOPULATION IS ON ITS WAY, whether by WW3 and/or continued manipulation of medicines, food and water supply.
The Libertarian Party doesn't have 20 years for goodness sake for the simple reason that Liberty will be a thing of the past very shortly. Think about these words - USELESS EATERS. That's what most within society are and they're expendable.
Unfortunately, people don't want to be free. Too much responsibility.
I've said for a long time you need the 'less government' message first and the less tax message second.
I'm fairly sure that the rabid students smashing up westminster (who I am not entirely unsympathetic to being that they are been taxed for something that the 16 year olds couldn't vote on but the MPs imposing had the free benefit of) would buy a "get vince cable off your back, free the unversities from political yoke!" message.
Similarly I beleive a lot of parents would go for less local authority meddling in thier lives so long as you don't start the argument with "I live in a fcuking massive house in the south east and I want more liberty cause it is cheaper and I can buy more steak"
It's too often that the libertarian message comes across or is presented as "Less tax on the rich more cost on the poor!" that does not play well with the swathes of people who have been lied to by government that help was coming and this giro will tide them over till it arrives.
Good post Andy. I wish the energy and intelligence that went into wittering on about a revolution on Twitter went into forming a proper business basis for the party to trade on.
Even if we fail to persuade people to stay calm and stop from smashing the place up those cavaliers need to realize they have already lost the ideological revolution. If violence breaks out today it will be a Fabian revolution and will enforce Fabian ideology - except all at once and violently. Any sensible revolutionary should address the preparatory phase of spreading the ideology they want to live under after the revolution. In short, even if LPUK cannot persuade them to remain calm, they should at least be helping LPUK now to ensure they get what they want from their violent bloodletting and murder.
Hopefully, once they see the party up and running properly the desire to kick off will be diminished.
There is a separate question, as to whether we wish to be associated with anyone so violent, but my present reading is they they are harmless. It's the NUS we need to worry about!
Agreed. Revolution is no solution.
It needs to be a dawning of reality in the benighted minds that have been brain washed into submission to the creed of darkness and control!
I do think it can be done.
If simple truth/reality is presented so that it makes sense then people wake up and shrug off the lies. When they realise the truth there is that: "you can't be serious" moment and the lies cease to have effect.
The only reason the liars are winning is that they have convinced Joe Public that they are correct, reasonable and true. And not just con men.
But that's how con men work.
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