I have no problem with principled thought through political violence
Laurie Penny
So those of us who opposed the high tax oppressive surveillance state under Brown, Damien McBride et Al would have been perfectly justified in fire bombing HMRC and all government offices, as principled thought through political violence ?
This is utterly appalling.
Why is it?
1 day ago
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Libertarians believe that:
(1) the state uses violence against them (and everyone else); but that
(2) to use violence back against the state would be wrong; instead, they will only use the methods that the state permits them to
Ever wondered why you never get anywhere?
This whole "damage to property" isn't violence argument on the so-called "anarchist" left really really annoys me. After the first outbreak of student violence after the top-up fees some trendy lefties at my university tried to make the case that smashing stuff up is not violence because you aren't actually touching the victim. Those people don't have a leg to stand on when the police kettle them.
Whatever-
What violence against the State ?
These goons ransacked a Tea shop ?
This was class envy by spoilt brats, where is this going to get you ?
but they
organised themselves into a non-hierarchial consensus-building team
so thats fine then
Guthrum -- again you reply to what you'd wished I said, rather than what I actually wrote...
Let's try again. (most) Libertarians believe in the non aggression axiom; that violence is only ever justified in self defense, yes? Libertarians also believe that the state is already -- has always been -- committing violence (or force or fraud) against them.
They are therefore ideologically justified in responding to state violence with violence of their own; your example of fire bombing HMRC should be a non-brainer -- it would be classed as self defense under the non aggression axiom.
So why do you suggest otherwise? A serious question, to which I'd hope to get a considered reply.
A serious answer to a serious question.
The State has the monopoly of violence, it has had since the suppression of liveries and maintenance by Henry VII, self defence against a state that is gunning its citizens down is a no brainer a la Ghaddaffi. I saw no evidence that the Police were acting in anything other than an unarmed manner seeking to protect property. The agression was purely from the 'black bloc'
Fortnum and Masons is not a representative or an organ of the State. It was was wrongly accused of with holding tax to the tune of £40m. This was class war on a soft target.
Therefore these alleged 'anarchists' were acting conversely in the name of a state that wants more taxes.
Fire bombing the HMRC would be an agressive act that would be condemned by any Libertarian, as was the van bombing of the Alfred P Murrah Federal building with the loss of innocent life, as was the fire bombing of a Greek bank, which lead to the loss of life of two bank workers. Again by 'leftists' who have no problem with 'thought through political violence'
You confuse Libertarianism with Right Wing Neo Conservatism.
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